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Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得

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lozpxs 2020-12-14 11:04 只看這個作者
pompom 發表於 2020-12-13 06:26
我來做個解說好了,不管任何一款機油。有沒有符合規範。
速克達。先去把傳動整理一下。我的經驗是整理過... ...

很想試試CASTROL POWER 1 RACING 4T 10W30

但拍賣上找不到...
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pompom 2020-12-15 00:19 只看這個作者
很久沒注意API。
剛好看到這個.....

Exemption for phosphorus limits will no longer apply from May 2020
自2020年5月起,磷含量限制豁免将不再适用
For some time, automobile manufacturers have been concerned that high phosphorus levels may negatively affect engine performance. As early as 1977, an SAE technical paper entitled “Engine Oil Phosphorus Effects on Catalytic Converter Performance in Federal Durability and High-Speed Vehicle Tests,” by Spearot and Caracciolo, confirmed that phosphorus derived from engine oil adversely impacted catalyst performance in two separate vehicle tests. It is a reduction in catalyst durability, particularly on the passenger car side, that engine oil manufacturers and automakers are most anxious about.
The American Petroleum Institute (API) is a national trade association representing all facets of the natural gas and oil industry. API’s Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System (EOLCS) is a voluntary licensing and certification program that authorises engine oil marketers to use API Engine Oil Quality Marks when they achieve specified requirements.
A maximum limit on phosphorus for passenger cars was voted in by API in 1996 with the introduction of engine oil category API SJ, which focused on addressing concerns around catalyst poisoning. Simultaneously, a waiver was implemented for heavy-duty (HD) diesel engine oils where companies were claiming both a ‘C’ commercial classification and an ‘S’ service or passenger car motor oil (PCMO) category.
The waiver allowed engine oil manufacturers whose primary objective was HD to ignore phosphorus limits applied to the S category — regardless of the viscosity grades. For multi-vehicle engine oils formulated predominantly for diesel engine applications (but opting to claim both classifications) API guidelines recommend the ‘C’ category is listed first to easily identify the primary purpose of the engine oil. Despite the waiver, API documentation stipulated that “oils have been formulated primarily for diesel engines and may not provide all of the performance requirements consistent with vehicle manufacturers’ recommendations for gasoline-fuelled engines.”

API CK-4 first appeared on the API Service Symbol “Donut” on 1 December 2016. This new category was introduced for oils used in high-speed four-stroke cycle diesel engines and designed to meet 2017 model year on-highway and Tier 4 non-road exhaust emission standards. Following the introduction of CK-4, the footnote relinquishing adherence to phosphorus limits was abandoned where CK-4 or FA-4 are also claimed. This update meant that International Lubricant Specification Advisory Committee (ILSAC) performance standards, or XW-30 categories, requesting both a C category and an S category needed to adhere to the 800 parts per million (ppm) phosphorus limit. Despite this update, a waiver for XW-40 or “non-ILSAC” oils was maintained.
Diesel Engine Oil Advisory Panel (DEOAP) Co-chairman, Dan Arcy, advises that 15W-40 remains the predominant viscosity grade used in HD diesel applications. Although 15W-40 is no longer an acceptable viscosity grade for gasoline applications, there are still companies and individuals using these with their fleets, he says.
However, this is all set to change. Speaking with F+L Magazine in June, Arcy confirmed that with the introduction of API SP service category, effective 1 May 2020, this historical exemption for phosphorus will no longer apply. Even non-ILSAC grades XW-40s must now meet this requirement for API SP. “Going forward, anyone that is going to claim API SP on the bottle along with a diesel category is going to have to meet 800 ppm phosphorus,” says Arcy.
The 18th edition of API 1509 was issued in July 2019. The publication describes the voluntary API Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System and explains to marketers the performance standards and updated licensing requirements for API Marks.
So, what does this mean from a marketing and labelling standpoint? Speaking in his alternative capacity as OEM Technical Manager at Shell Global Solutions, Arcy affirms “we believe you use diesel oil for diesel applications and gasoline oil for gasoline applications.”
The benefit of higher phosphorus in HD engines is improved wear protection. It is for this reason Shell has transitioned away from universal oils — removing API S category claims off their bottles since the introduction of API CK-4 and FA-4 in 2016. “Even though we could claim CK-4 and SN on our 15W-40, we don’t. Our bottle says CK-4.”
Shell prefers separate products to benefit from improved wear, says Arcy. Most of Shell’s HD diesel engine oils are higher phosphorus levels, closer to the 0.12% or 1,200 ppm maximum that is defined by API’s diesel engine oil classification, he says.
Arcy admits there is a market for customers who desire a single oil for diesel and gasoline applications. Shell, the number one global lubricant supplier, does offer a multi-vehicle SAE 5W-30 engine oil at 800 ppm that satisfies both API CK-4 and API SN for this market segment. For the remaining majority, Shell is taking a horses for courses approach.


突然想起來有一罐澳洲無尾熊油。Zn超出1200ppm P(磷)確很正常700多
Penrite Oil Racing 5 5W-30


本文最後由 pompom 於 2020-12-15 06:34 編輯

lozpxs 發表於 2020-12-14 11:04
很想試試CASTROL POWER 1 RACING 4T 10W30

但拍賣上找不到...

可惜我不用4T油...
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lozpxs 2020-12-15 16:01 只看這個作者
yuanmotor 發表於 2020-12-15 14:40
可惜我不用4T油...

我檔車、速克達雙修,也有一台汽車

所以都會買來試試看

也不排斥速克達用4T油

甚至家裡的老速克達都是用其他車用剩的混

常常有意外好用的驚喜Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得5384
參與人數 1紅利點數 +5 收起 理由
yuanmotor + 5 或許真的是 但心裡那道坎過不去XD.

瀏覽全部評分總評分 :  紅利點數 +5

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pompom 2020-12-15 18:30 只看這個作者
https://www.infineuminsight.com/ ... ecifications-na.pdf

看完之後 應該是ACEA ZDDP跟hths 比API 嚴格。

4T的車 磷跟鋅一定比汽車油多。大部分是如此。
齒輪油 有人喜歡或是原廠說可以用機油替換 齒輪油。 那你怎麼不加齒輪油給引擎
所以拉我想大概是廠商 把你的車想像成檔車 因為檔車就是一油到底。

有人會秀出一張粘度對照表。
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得9149

真的要這麼"嬉遊"嗎Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得3215 薄油
不仿用ATF 自排油。夠稀 相當於xW-20了。當油溫100度 100 cst粘度。cst大概是xW-40的一半。
而且不含磷喔 只有很少量的鋅.......

以上齒輪壞掉不負責。當然沒這麼快壞。
我怕死 又省錢 都用手排米兇油(齒輪油 含豐富的極壓劑還有一些添加物) 認證又多
齒輪油一條要30元吧。

天氣冷....Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得7973 我想0W-40 。應該是10W-40好一點點 xW-30番 不敢用。
除非引擎有特別跟
檔車
汽車(使用低粘度0W-20以下的汽車)
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得1047

速克達 不一樣,這要看台灣速克達廠商。還是等消費者證明給原廠看 我可以的 你們品質夠好。還是有人要用這品牌。
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得5544
大家的車輛使用手冊 最多只有節能機油不建議。
一個ILSAC發的 一個是API
節能(Resource Conserving)或 (Energy Conserving)


期待勇者。

Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得2704

https://youtu.be/IKdhgKUZhPA
用PC電腦上網的可以打開字幕 選繁體中文。
我想說 汽車引擎跟速克達構造 差很大。

就好比為什麼特殊的BMW 一定要使用10W60。不是BMW已經有5W30了嗎
不然請大魔王,去借一台BMW使用10W60 然後換成薄油。Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得812
OEM批准不僅是不必要的,而且通常還會誤導消費者
所以我們只能遵循JASO HTHS 最低標準2.9,我相信有不少人不太相信台灣引擎工藝能力。
所以娜大跟我通常還會吃補品。Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得2743 冬至到了 要吃湯圓。





本文最後由 pompom 於 2020-12-15 21:52 編輯

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phos 2020-12-16 09:54 只看這個作者
pompom 發表於 2020-12-15 18:30
天氣冷 我想0W-40應該是好一點點
xW-30番 不敢用

還好吧,新車的第一桶磨合油也是30番的,古早父字輩年代大家好像也都是用SAE30的礦物油

而且有些5W30或10W30的高溫運動黏度都在11.5以上,跟0W40的12.5以上其實也差不了多少
白色
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jflyone 2020-12-16 10:23 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
之前好像有看過紅線的分類 Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得9616 Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得5534
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得8548
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pompom 2020-12-16 20:57 只看這個作者
phos 發表於 2020-12-16 09:54
還好吧,新車的第一桶磨合油也是30番的,古早父字輩年代大家好像也都是用SAE30的礦物油

而且有些5W30或10 ...

各取所需吧?!Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得9921 我跟娜大都怕死。

這幾天才推 Motul 300V Competition 15W-50 給娜大夏天用。應該不少網友說 這麼粘。
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得2335

有polyolester oil, 有美孚的Synesstic™ 烷基萘(AN) 基础油


https://www.exxonmobilchemical.c ... kylated-naphthalene

用油的等級不同 怎麼比較。ZDDP 也沒有高的離譜。

就是要狂。不然大魔王去買2L來拉拉看馬力機。
http://www.fordmods.com/automoti ... -range-t127472.html
Amsoil ASL 5W30與Redline 5W40 比較心得5598
3.6的車都再用了。娜大應該不會嫌。

本文最後由 pompom 於 2020-12-18 23:28 編輯

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yuanmotor 2020-12-17 00:16 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
phos 發表於 2020-12-16 09:54
還好吧,新車的第一桶磨合油也是30番的,古早父字輩年代大家好像也都是用SAE30的礦物油

而且有些5W30或10 ...


光陽綠色塑膠瓶就是單純的SAE30 網拍一瓶80幾元
車行說適合順順騎的人 騎太凶會吃機油(?
我也是覺得不用太擔心
畢竟也不是每個人騎車出去都是油門一拜
HTHS不夠高又操太兇的結果頂多就是刷缸
畢竟車子吃機油也不會說馬上掛掉
頂多提早換or補機油
一切都是自己的選擇
至於運動黏度是影響油門催起來的感覺和抑震
通常越稀加速越快 越黏越安靜
保護度還是要看HTHS 本文最後由 yuanmotor 於 2020-12-17 00:21 編輯

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yuanmotor 2020-12-17 00:17 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
jflyone 發表於 2020-12-16 10:23
之前好像有看過紅線的分類

感謝 這張超有用 我也愛用美國油