[詢問]大家對飛寶FullBore機油有啥看法嗎?

有興趣的人。自己看。
http://mit-machinery.com/store/o ... area=&item_act=

台灣神油 我沒意見。

這是Ya 配文嗎？

最近 台灣機油。又一重大突破。
太可怕了。

打不過美孚。嘉實多。殼牌。又搞這招。我幫忙代工喔。

是否真假。只有問台灣神油廠。
這是新的台油 行銷術。2020年。疫情嚴重。潤滑油也出現新變化嗎?!

朋友寄的 我把圖片 剪小一點。這個梗 太大了。

這些年來，我的機油選擇原則就是，
[ 不嘗鮮，不買貴，不跟流行，不用原廠 。]   

我國公平交易法第21條第1項規定：「事業不得在商品或廣告上，或以其他使公眾得知之方法，對於與商品相關而足以影響交易決定之事項，為虛偽不實或引人錯誤之表示或表徵。」

看來台灣賣機油的開始要踩紅線。不是機油紅線。是台灣政府法令。

這牌子在台灣，大概沒幾個人熟悉。

台灣潤滑油。台灣神油這麼多品牌。孤狗大神 找到的資料還真不少。
就是看不到機油產品資訊表。

這種東西都沒有，要跟我說什麼感覺...真的見鬼了。


使用心得。也吹得太....然後5W30只能在環境溫度10度C以下使用
所以最稀最省油就只能用到10W30....到API官網https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsSearch
Brand Name(品牌名稱)這格輸入Full Bore然後按下Search
就可以看到TAY RUENN ENTERPRISE CO., LTD.
點進去就可以看到台灣廠商太潤有送認證的油品

Full Bore 10W30 SN Resource Conserving 確認無誤
ILSAC的GF-5也有過

既然完全符合手冊要求的規範
就不會有任何保固的疑慮
可以放心使用了

目前在一般的操駕上
跟出廠機油、原廠Toyota 5W50
感覺不出有什麼差異

http://civic-9-club.tw/forum.php?mod=viewthread&action=printable&tid=2796
我覺得蠻厲害的10W-30 跟5W-50無感覺。不同品牌機油。Full Bore 飛寶 10W30 的高速油耗 平均油耗竟然達到嚇死人不償命的26.4km/L。我上次來用原廠5W50的油耗頂多20km/L就覺得超強了
其它的大家看上面連結吧。12 款台灣 125 省油機車，每公升有可跑 50 公里以上實力，使用該品牌可能破70一公升是有可能。
我的車是化油器，應該沒這麼厲害。



孤狗來的


你用過嗎? 市面上50%以上機油都是由他們代工, 還有不少汽車品牌的原廠機油也是他們代工人家可以做這麼大, 一定有他的能力, 不要瞧不起台灣製造的東西

可怕可怕。找到一些資料。
這是讓我訝異的地方。這到底是什麼國際大廠。
而我對L牌 本身印像就不好。

小老婆沒圖 沒真相。


API 查詢資料。我找不到這家公司，通過認證的英文。
如果有漏看。以API公告為主。

沒關係，原廠幫你掛保固。

玖鈺科技有限公司 跟裕隆汽車 有什麼貓膩 我就不清楚。

最後跟大家分享的是"酯類機油很貴的" "氮化硼機油很貴的"化學原素表上面的機油很貴的"








Alkylated naphthalene  

Customers today expect lubricants to perform even in extreme conditions. To help you meet these expectations, Synesstic™ alkylated naphthalene (AN) base stocks are designed to empower lubricants to deliver durability and optimum performance in many operating environments.

Synesstic AN combines the stability of a polyalphaolefin (PAO) and solubility benefits of an ester, helping formulators extend the performance of synthetic and mineral-oil-based lubricants used in many automotive and industrial applications. Available in 5 and 12 cSt grades, Synesstic AN is listed on the U.S. FDA Inventory of Effective Food Contact Substance Notifications, making it suitable for applications with incidental food contact. In addition, Synesstic AN is H1/HX-1 National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) registered.

Oxidative and hydrolytic stability
The Turbine Oil Oxidation Stability Test (ASTM D943 and usually called TOST) is used to evaluate the oxidative stability of various industrial lubricants in the presence of water. We used this test to compare two ISO VG 46 compressor formulations. In one formulation, we blended a conventional PAO base stock, a polyol ester and an additive. In the other formulation, we replaced the ester with Synesstic 5 AN. In the test, Synesstic 5 AN improved oxidative and hydrolytic stability, offering potential to extend compressor oil lifetime.

Fuel efficiency for 5W+ engine oils  

Though there is a strong trend toward lower viscosity engine oils to limit CO2 emissions through increased fuel economy, 5W+ grades are currently the most popular viscosity grades. Enhancing the fuel efficiency of these 5W+ grades is therefore an area of opportunity for new molecules and solutions that formulators can leverage for sustainability goals.

Lower-viscosity base oils can help improve fuel efficiency, but formulations also must meet low-temperature specifications for CCS viscosity while staying within the 5W+ viscosity grade.

Ester FE 2.X

To help passenger and heavy-duty vehicle engine oils extend fuel economy in 5W+ grades while conforming to SAE J300 specs, we have developed Ester FE 2.X, a co-base stock ester from bio-based feedstock that provides:

• Low viscosity
• Low volatility
• High viscosity index (VI)
• Low traction
  

With a ~5% targeted treat rate, Ester FE 2.X can enable heavier grades (5W+) to achieve fuel economy similar to lower viscosity 0W engine oils. Thanks to a unique viscosity profile, Ester FE 2.X boosts CCS viscosity but not the base oil viscosity (BOV). The lower BOV enables a higher additive treat rate without increasing viscosity or sacrificing fuel efficiency.  

This chart shows how blending 5 wt.% Ester FE 2.X with a 4 cSt or an 8 cSt @ 100°C base oil allows for enhanced fuel efficiency while still meeting the CCS requirements of a 5W-30 engine oil blend.

Thermal-oxidative stability

Synthetic base stocks have excellent thermal-oxidative stability, which helps minimize deposit formation in the engine – thereby enhancing cleanliness and durability. Group V synthetic base stocks such as alkylated naphthalene and esters have very high thermal-oxidative stability and excellent solubility, enabling them to dissolve oxidation products and prevent deposits and sludge formation. By protecting engines from deposits and sludge, these synthetic base stocks can improve engine life, which can provide sustainability benefits through reduced use of materials and other resources.

The chart shows that low-viscosity SpectraSyn™ PAO maintains viscosity longer than three Group III base oils during aging tests.

國外有沒有如台灣機油。只有使用PAO+ESTER。老實說我沒看過，如果有人在國外看到這東西。幫忙補個資料吧!!
全世界 大概只有台灣品牌 有這樣的廣告或是業務宣稱。只使用第四纇跟第五類基礎油。 太厲害了。厲害了我的國。

美。嘉。殼。還沒看到過。

苯烷基化合成高温润滑油基础油



2007年 蠻舊的東西。


該公司的酯類。
LVLV Esters

We’re also developing LVLV Esters that demonstrate an outstanding balance of viscosity and volatility.

這張 我忘記這是哪一家了的。當然是不是台灣或是日本。





0W-8的添加劑基礎油 已經有了。
低 noack volatility。有認證喔 肺炎嗎?!這是門坎。 認證的東西 嚴選最便宜的料

Alkylated Naphthalenes (AN) are a reaction of olefins with a naphthalene nucleus resulting in a base oil with excellent thermal and oxidative stability. In addition AN has first-rate hydrolytic stability and is miscible with other synthetic hydrocarbons, most notably Polyalphaolefins (PAO). Alkylated Naphthalenes summary:

• Temperature range of -30 to 180°C
• Excellent thermal and oxidative stability
• Good plastic/elastomer compatibility, can have issues at higher temperatures
• AN blended with PAO shows a synergistic effect
  

Keep in mind that if a Alkylated Naphthalene is used as the base oil for a grease, the thickener and additives also used in the formula will have an influence on the final characteristics and performance of the finished grease/lubricant.

這是另外一家公司。資料。

Kinematic Viscosity (KV) is a type of viscosity data point that you will see on all our synthetic lubricant technical data sheets. There are different ways to measure the viscosity of a lubricant as the subject matter is not simple. Kinematic Viscosity is an oil/fluid resistance to flow under the influence of gravity – no external force is applied, only gravity is influencing the oil/fluid.

Depending on the temperature requirements for a specific application, it is important to understand the change in viscosity of an oil as temperature drops, which also gives an insight into what will happen when the oil is worked, in kinetic sense – Penetration Testing is a better data point to understand what happens to a finished grease from a kinetic energy standpoint.

The unit of measurement we use for KV is Centistokes (cSt). Other companies sometimes use m2/s. Here is an example of KV data on from a Polyalphaolefin base oil:

KV is an important data point but if using a grease, it is crucial to remember that kinematic viscosity only relates to the base oil within the grease. This does not detract from the importance of KV as the KV of the base oil will influence the finished grease stiffness/thickness and how the grease responds under the effects of shear; another example is when a grease is used in bearing applications, under pressure and load it is the grease that is forced away from the thickener of the grease that is ofter performing the lubrication task.

基礎油粘度演示

在為客戶選擇合成油脂時，我們經常討論油的粘度以及高低基礎油對其應用的影響。我們決定通過視頻解釋使其更容易，以便我們的客戶可以更好地理解數據表上的厘cent（cSt）數字。該測試在室溫下進行。

機油粘度可能會有所不同，我們希望說明差異有多大。所有潤滑脂均以油開始。當將增稠劑添加到基礎油中時，會產生潤滑脂，使潤滑劑具有潤滑脂所熟悉的“保持原位”特性。我們可以通過改變增稠劑與基礎油的比例來改變成品油脂的表觀粘度。

包括大多數潤滑油在內的簡單流體遵循牛頓行為，從而流體粘度根據剪切速率保持恆定。但是，當將油製成油脂時，油脂會發生變化，油脂將是非牛頓性的，油脂的粘度很大程度上取決於剪切速率或相鄰油脂層彼此相對移動的速率。

Lube Academy From TOTAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZE2RfCt3lw

法院判賠的機油。
https://law.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty=JD&id=SLEV,108%2C%E5%A3%AB%E5%B0%8F%2C2488%2C20200325%2C1

有空 我在發表。其他的人可以先發言。

1.算機油廠倒楣我的看法，原廠機油 原廠皮帶。皮帶是舉例。都會斷掉。都會損壞了。所以少了科學，渦輪壽命 大概多久。過保固嗎?!
除了API 跟MB 有實際認證查詢。
其他應該沒有了吧。

2.我原廠 有得修理 有錢賺。當然說機油 有問題。反正那一個系的車。上法院又不是第一天了。如果有一點錢。知道哪裡快壞掉。倒楣的.........

3.所以還是原廠商品 原廠商品。

4.很類似的東西喔
殼牌跟米漿 VOA。


不喜歡被轉貼。 自己不會去孤狗。網路資訊這麼多。真假自己判斷。

這飛寶機油在TOYOTA一些偽官方論壇
廣告打得很兇喔  賣的不是美國飛寶
是太潤弄得台灣飛寶神油

結果樓主又來這邊打廣告業配文
扯啥百年機油  真是離譜  把大家當白痴膩

那個偽站長APPLE(男)成天在論壇一箱箱地賣神油
都不開發票的喔....賺超大

每次都說最稀最稀只能用到10W30
這種飛寶黏度才適合豐田車

5W30根本不適用三小的....巴拉巴拉

他為了自己利益  昧著良心說這種話
已經被大家噴到不行

今天在這裡又看到這隻神油的業配文
真是就是又要重演了嗎   哈