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Swish 除了前輪異音 還有什麼通病嗎?

使用騎乘一年多.目前還沒碰過啥需要去機車行的問題
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JAM 2020-12-25 00:00 只看這個作者
目前是沒有聽說其它問題,但萬一有問題,還是找原廠保固處理,
因為誰也不敢保證交到車主手上的,會不會剛好有瑕疵 ? 所以,平常心選購車子就好 。



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pompom 2020-12-25 01:48 只看這個作者
機油 盡量選JASO MB
最近一些MA或是MA2的機車 4T機油 有一點太過環保。
Swish 除了前輪異音 還有什麼通病嗎?5739


JASO MA2 oils are formulated to deliver higher clutch frictional performance. They are designed for use in four-stroke motorcycles and scooters and are primarily suitable for wet-clutch applications.
The main physical, chemical and clutch frictional requirements, according to the current version of the standard (JASO T903:2016), for JASO MA2 oils are shown below:
Physical and Chemical
RequirementMethodsUnitLimit
Sulphated AshD874/JIS K 2272% mass1.2 max.
PhosphorusD4951/JPI-5S-38% mass≥0.08 and ≤0.12
MolybdenumD4951/JPI-5S-38ppmReport
Foaming Tendency
  Sequence I
D892/JIS K 2518

mL10/0 max.
  Sequence IImL50/0 max.
  Sequence IIImL10/0 max.
Evaporation Loss (NOACK) % mass20 max.
Shear Stability
(Kinematic viscosity (100°C) after test)
D5800/JPI-5S-41mm2
xW-30 : 9.0 min.
xW-40 : 12.0 min.
xW-50 : 15.0 min.
Others : Stay in grade
High Temperature High Shear (HTHS) viscosityASTM D62781mPas2.9 min.
Note 1 : Test shall be conducted by diesel injector method using the standard test conditions (30 cycles)
Clutch Test Friction Properties (JASO T 903:2016(Annex A))
PropertyJASO MA2
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)≥1.50 and ≤2.50
Static Friction Index (SFI)≥1.60 and ≤2.50
Stop Time Index (STI)≥1.60 and ≤2.50
Note : MA, MA2 and MA1 shall be within the respective ranges described in the table above for each of the three indices (DFI, SFI, and STI).
Submitter may On-File register an oil which satisfies the MA specifications as a MA or MA2 oil depending on the indices specified and marketing requirements.
The significance of the indices:
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)Measure of clutch feel and how progressively power transfers during clutch engagement
Static Friction Index (SFI)Measure of closed clutch pack torque handling capacity – resistance to clutch slip under high-torque “break-away” conditions
Stop Time Index (STI)Measure of how quickly the clutch engages
For more information on JASO MA2, contact your Lubrizol representative.





JASO MA1 oils are formulated for use in four-stroke motorcycles and scooters and are primarily suitable for wet-clutch applications.
The main physical, chemical and clutch frictional requirements, according to the current version of the standard (JASO T903:2016), for JASO MA1 oils are shown below:
Physical and Chemical
RequirementMethodsUnitLimit
Sulphated AshD874/JIS K 2272% mass1.2 max.
PhosphorusD4951/JPI-5S-38% mass≥0.08 and ≤0.12
MolybdenumD4951/JPI-5S-38ppmReport
Foaming Tendency
  Sequence I
D892/JIS K 2518
mL10/0 max.
  Sequence IImL50/0 max.
  Sequence IIImL10/0 max.
Evaporation Loss (NOACK) % mass20 max.
Shear Stability
(Kinematic viscosity (100°C) after test)
D5800/JPI-5S-41mm2
xW-30 : 9.0 min.
xW-40 : 12.0 min.
xW-50 : 15.0 min.
Others : Stay in grade
High Temperature High Shear (HTHS) viscosityASTM D62781mPas2.9 min.
Note 1 : Test shall be conducted by diesel injector method using the standard test conditions (30 cycles)
Clutch Test Friction Properties (JASO T 903:2016(Annex A))
PropertyJASO MA1
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)≥1.35 and ≤1.50
Static Friction Index (SFI)≥1.45 and ≤1.60
Stop Time Index (STI)≥1.40 and ≤1.60
Note : MA, MA2 and MA1 shall be within the respective ranges described in the table above for each of the three indices (DFI, SFI, and STI).
Submitter may On-File register an oil which satisfies the MA specifications as a MA or MA1 oil depending on the indices specified and marketing requirements.
The significance of the indices:
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)Measure of clutch feel and how progressively power transfers during clutch engagement
Static Friction Index (SFI)Measure of closed clutch pack torque handling capacity – resistance to clutch slip under high-torque “break-away” conditions
Stop Time Index (STI)Measure of how quickly the clutch engages
For more information on JASO MA1, contact your Lubrizol representative



JASO MA oils deliver higher level clutch frictional performance. They are formulated for use in four-stroke motorcycles and scooters and are primarily suitable for wet-clutch applications. Oils which meet JASO MA performance requirements, can also be sub-categorised into meeting MA2 (higher clutch friction) or MA1 (lower clutch friction) performance. The main physical, chemical and clutch frictional requirements, according to the current version of the standard (JASO T903:2016), for JASO MA oils are shown below: Physical and Chemical
RequirementMethodsUnitLimit
Sulphated AshD874/JIS K 2272% mass1.2 max.
PhosphorusD4951/JPI-5S-38% mass≥0.08 and ≤0.12
MolybdenumD4951/JPI-5S-38ppmReport
Foaming Tendency


  Sequence I  D892/JIS K 2518mL10/0 max.
  Sequence IImL50/0 max.
  Sequence IIImL10/0 max.
Evaporation Loss (NOACK)D5800/JPI-5S-41% mass20 max.
Shear Stability (Kinematic viscosity (100°C) after test)ASTM D62781)mm2xW-30 : 9.0 min. xW-40 : 12.0 min. xW-50 : 15.0 min. Others : Stay in grade
High Temperature High Shear (HTHS) viscosityD4683/JPI-5S-36mPas2.9 min.
Note 1) : Test shall be conducted by diesel injector method using the standard test conditions (30 cycles)
Clutch Test Friction Properties (JASO T 903:2016(Annex A))
PropertyJASO MA
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)≥1.35 and ≤2.50
Static Friction Index (SFI)≥1.45 and ≤2.50
Stop Time Index (STI)≥1.40 and ≤2.50
Note : MA, MA2 and MA1 shall be within the respective ranges described in the table above for each of the three indices (DFI, SFI, and STI).
Submitter may On-File register an oil which satisfies the MA specifications as a MA, MA1 or MA2 oil depending on the indices specified and marketing requirements.
The significance of the indices:
Dynamic Friction Index (DFI)Measure of clutch feel and how progressively power transfers during clutch engagement
Static Friction Index (SFI)Measure of closed clutch pack torque handling capacity – resistance to clutch slip under high-torque “break-away” conditions
Stop Time Index (STI)Measure of how quickly the clutch engages





JASO MB oils are formulated to deliver low clutch frictional performance.  The intent of the specification is to provide enhanced fuel economy performance for non-wet clutch applications.  These applications generally use external centrifugal clutches and Continuously Variable Transmissions (CVTs); for example: scooters.
The main physical, chemical and clutch frictional requirements, according to the current version of the standard (JASO T903:2016), for JASO MB oils are shown below:
Physical and Chemical
RequirementMethodsUnitLimit
Sulphated AshD874/JIS K 2272% mass1.2 max.
PhosphorusD4951/JPI-5S-38% mass≥0.08 and ≤0.12
MolybdenumD4951/JPI-5S-38ppmReport
Foaming Tendency (foaming/settling)
  Sequence I
D892/JIS K 2518
mL10/0 max.
  Sequence IImL50/0 max.
  Sequence IIImL10/0 max.
Evaporation Loss (NOACK) % mass20 max.
Shear Stability
(Kinematic viscosity (100°C) after test)
D5800/JPI-5S-41mm2
xW-30 : 9.0 min.
xW-40 : 12.0 min.
xW-50 : 15.0 min.
Others : Stay in grade
High Temperature High Shear (HTHS) viscosityASTM D62781mPas2.9 min.
Note 1 : Test shall be conducted by diesel injector method using the standard test conditions (30 cycles)




JASO FB油的主要定義是高潤滑性能,而沒有任何低煙和排氣系統阻塞技術。它們設計用於二衝程摩托車和小型發動機設備。
根據當前版本的標準(JASO M345:2004),針對JASO FB油的主要物理,化學和發動機測試要求如下所示:
理化
需求方法單元限制
運動粘度(100°C)D445 / K 2283毫米2 /秒6.5分鐘
閃點D92或D93 / K 2265°C70分鐘
密度(15°C)D1298 / K 2249克/厘米3報告
傾點D97 / K 2269°C報告
顏色(目測)D1500 報告
硫酸鹽灰D874 / K 2272質量百分比0.25以下
D4951 / JPI-5S-38-92質量百分比報告
D4629 / K 2609-1990質量百分比報告
D2662 / K 2541-1992質量百分比報告
引擎測試(JASO FB)
評價項目測試方法
JASO FB
標準指標
本田潤滑性(LIX)JASO M 34095分鐘
初始扭矩(TIX)JASO M 34098分鐘
本田去污力(1小時)DIX雅索M 34185分鐘
鈴木煙(六)JASO M 34245分鐘
鈴木封鎖(BIX)JASO M 34345分鐘
索引號的意義:
每個評估項目的編號,即潤滑性,初始扭矩,去污力,冒煙性和阻塞性,都是與每個類別中的性能相關聯的指標編號。基本上,數字越高,該類別的性能越好。
有關JASO FB的更多信息,請與您的路博潤代表聯繫,


孤狗找的到。孤一下給我看。Googlet 吃飯也要辜一下 不然不知道怎麼吃。當然可以補充更詳細的資料,讓大家知道多一點。


JASO FC油的定義為低煙性能,並且在排氣煙和排氣系統阻塞方面提供優於JASO FB的性能。它們設計用於二衝程摩托車和小型發動機設備。
根據當前版本的標準(JASO M345:2004),JASO FC油的主要物理,化學和發動機測試要求如下所示:
理化
需求方法單元限制
運動粘度(100°C)D445 / K 2283毫米2 /秒6.5分鐘
閃點D92或D93 / K 2265°C70分鐘
密度(15°C)D1298 / K 2249克/厘米3報告
傾點D97 / K 2269°C報告
顏色(目測)D1500 報告
硫酸鹽灰D874 / K 2272質量百分比0.25以下
D4951 / JPI-5S-38-92質量百分比報告
D4629 / K 2609-1990質量百分比報告
D2662 / K 2541-1992質量百分比報告
發動機測試(JASO FC)
評價項目測試方法
日本足球俱樂部
標準指標
本田潤滑性(LIX)JASO M 34095分鐘
初始扭矩(TIX)JASO M 34098分鐘
本田去污力(1小時)DIX雅索M 34195分鐘
鈴木煙(六)JASO M 34285分鐘
鈴木封鎖(BIX)JASO M 34390分鐘
索引號的意義:
每個評估項目的編號,即潤滑性,初始扭矩,去污力,冒煙性和阻塞性,都是與每個類別中的性能相關聯的指標編號。基本上,數字越高,該類別的性能越好。


JASO FD oils are defined for higher detergency and engine cleanliness performance as well as meeting the lubricity and low smoke requirements.  JASO FD oils deliver superior performance to both JASO FB and JASO FC in all the evaluated areas. They are designed for use in two-stroke motorcycles and small engine equipment.
The main physical, chemical and engine test requirements, according to the current version of the standard (JASO M345:2004), for JASO FD oils are shown below:
Physical and Chemical
RequirementMethodsUnitLimit
Kinematic Viscosity (100°C)D445/K 2283mm2/s6.5 min.
Flash PointD92 or D93/K 2265°C70 min.
Density (15°C)D1298/K 2249g/cm3Report
Pour PointD97/K 2269°CReport
Colour (visual inspection)D1500 Report
Sulphated AshD874/K 2272% mass0.18 max.
PhosphorusD4951/JPI-5S-38-92% massReport
NitrogenD4629/K 2609-1990% massReport
SulphurD2662/K 2541-1992% massReport
Engine Testing (JASO FD)
Evaluation ItemTest Method
JASO FD
Standard Index
Honda Lubricity (LIX)JASO M 34095 min.
Initial Torque (TIX)JASO M 34098 min.
Honda Detergency (3 hour) DIXJASO M 341125 min.
Piston Skirt Varnish (VIX)JASO M 34195 min.
Suzuki Smoke (SIX)JASO M 34285 min.
Suzuki Blocking (BIX)JASO M 34390 min.
The significance of the index numbers:
The numbers for each evaluated item, i.e., Lubricity, Initial Torque, Detergency, Smoke and Blocking are all index numbers which are associated with performance in each category.  Basically, the higher the number, the better the performance in that category.
本文最後由 pompom 於 2021-1-6 03:36 編輯

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shen7392 2020-12-25 08:50 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
pompom 發表於 2020-12-25 01:48
機油 盡量選JASO MB
最近一些MA或是MA2的機車 4T機油 有一點太過環保。

你真的懂MA MB嗎?留言前先google一下吧...
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ncaa 2020-12-25 08:54 只看這個作者
我覺得是材料吧
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ycmfj 2020-12-25 09:21 只看這個作者
swish其實是一台不錯的車,但是家裡附近原廠維修據點太少,所以也就過門不入了
輕鬆快樂的騎車吧~
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李小龍 2020-12-25 12:46 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
pompom 發表於 2020-12-25 01:48
機油 盡量選JASO MB
最近一些MA或是MA2的機車 4T機油 有一點太過環保。

原廠有650cc的機油,應該是很適合Swish吧
我覺得異音問題還算小,熄火問題比較討厭
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pompom 2020-12-26 00:02 只看這個作者
shen7392 發表於 2020-12-25 08:50
你真的懂MA MB嗎?留言前先google一下吧...

不太懂 可以詳細說明嗎 謝謝Swish 除了前輪異音 還有什麼通病嗎?3914
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娜希亞 2020-12-26 00:10 發文來自手機 只看這個作者
shen7392 發表於 2020-12-25 08:50
你真的懂MA MB嗎?留言前先google一下吧...

能說說高見嗎?